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Progress on system; 82 games still 'possible'

Posted on: October 27, 2011 5:15 am
Edited on: October 27, 2011 12:49 pm
 
NEW YORK – After another marathon, 15-hour bargaining session that pushed past 3 a.m. ET Thursday, NBA and union negotiators emerged saying progress had been made -- and pointed to the possibility of not only avoiding the loss of more games, but recapturing those already canceled and having an 82-game season.

It’s beginning to look like time for push to come to shove and for the lockout, well into its fourth month, to have its best chance of coming to an end.

“This has been a very arduous and difficult day, and productive,” commissioner David Stern said after 4 a.m. in a conference room of a Manhattan luxury hotel. “(Thursday) is going to be just as arduous and difficult, if not more so. We hope that it can be as productive.”

The two sides are reconvening at 2 p.m., with National Basketball Players Association executive director Billy Hunter saying an 82-game season remains “possible” if a deal were reached by Sunday or Monday.

“We initially wanted to miss none,” Stern said. “It's sad that we've missed two weeks. We're trying to apply a tourniquet and go forward. That's always been our goal.”

But while the cataclysmic rhetoric that marked last Thursday’s breakdown in talks was gone and the focus was on saving games instead of losing more, officials on both sides cautioned not to draw substantial conclusions. While progress was made on several system issues – “small moves,” according to one source – the talks are back in the tenuous place where they’ve blown apart on several other occasions. Even if the complete menu of system issues can be resolved Thursday, the trouble in the past has come when the system has to be linked with the BRI split – or vice versa.

“I think depending on how much progress we make (Thursday), we’ll be in a better position to be more explanatory and definitive about the specifics of the deal,” Hunter said.

After the talks broke down last Thursday over the BRI split – with the owners offering a 50-50 split and the players seeking 52.5 percent – the two sides re-engaged almost immediately on Friday and continued talking through the weekend, Hunter said. The pressure was beginning to mount for both sides to avoid further cancellations and try to salvage the two weeks of games already canceled into a revamped, compressed schedule.

“If there was any hope of trying to recapture the lost games and be able to complete a full season of 82 games, then there had to be a way to get back and talk,” Hunter said.

The two sides discussed system issues exclusively Wednesday and into Thursday morning, not touching on the BRI split at all. One source warned, “They still haven’t gotten to the meat and potatoes.”

But the general feeling from both sides was that a level of determination to bridge the gap between the system proposals has reached a level of urgency not seen at any times during the two-plus years of negotiations. It is generally presumed that once the more difficult system issues – mainly the level and rates of a new, more punitive luxury tax system – are agreed upon, the economic negotiation would be easier to agree upon.

“A lot of the concessions or trades that you might be inclined to make have to have some connection to your understanding of what your ultimate number is,” Hunter said.

Fisher said there were “key principle items in our system that have to remain there in order for our players to agree to what is already a reduced percentage of BRI.”

The league and union negotiated in the small-group format that has yielded significant progress and less rhetoric in the past. Stern, deputy commissioner Adam Silver, labor relations committee chairman Peter Holt of the Spurs, Board of Governors chairman Glen Taylor of the Timberwolves and Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan joined deputy general counsel Dan Rube and general counsel Richard Buchanan in representing the league. For the players, it was Hunter, Fisher, vice president Maurice Evans, general counsel Ron Klempner, attorney Yared Alula and economist Kevin Murphy.

League negotiators will convene via telephone with the rest of the owners on the labor relations committee prior to the 2 p.m. resumption in talks, but there will be no new parties in the room. Murphy, who has other obligations, will not be present for the union Thursday.

“There's no question that today was a better day than last Thursday,” Silver said. “I think it's too early, not just in the morning, but still in the negotiations to express confidence that we're at a deal. There's no question, though, that we did make progress on some significant issues.”

In a moment of pre-dawn levity after the second-longest bargaining session of the negotiations, Stern joked about the fact that he was not present last Thursday when the seemingly promising talks fell apart after an apparent “take-it-or-leave-it” ultimatum from Holt over proceeding with system negotiations only if the players accepted a 50-50 BRI split.

“It wasn't me,” Stern said. “I leave these guys alone for a little bit of time and all hell breaks loose.”

Could all hell break loose again? Sure; at this point, anything’s possible. But what was clear as the vacuums purred in the lobby and hotel staff began showing up for a new day’s work was this: The urgency to make a deal finally has arrived.
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mzracing76
Since: Dec 24, 2006
Posted on: October 29, 2011 11:45 am
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Since: Jan 3, 2007
Posted on: October 28, 2011 5:00 pm
 

Progress on system; 82 games still 'possible'

Ok thanks...i get it now.



Since: Feb 5, 2011
Posted on: October 28, 2011 12:55 pm
 

Progress on system; 82 games still 'possible'

Please tell me that this is total sarcasm
 



Since: Sep 27, 2006
Posted on: October 27, 2011 10:32 pm
 

Progress on system; 82 games still 'possible'

I would like to say that I'm optimistic about an agreement being reached by this weekend between the players and the owners.  I would also like to say that I bought the winning Powerball ticket for the drawing on Saturday.  Both statements are wishful thinking, and not very realistic.  I would also like to say that I'm sleeping with Eva Longoria, but that would be completely delusional.  But then, so is the notion that there will be an 82 game NBA season.

The fact remains that there are some NBA teams that are losing money, and they are actually financially better off with a cancelled season.  True, the owners are not close to being broke, but when you look at each team as a seperate business entity, there are a few of them that are losing money, and they can afford to be stubborn and hold out for the best deal they can get.  There aren't that many players who can afford to be stubborn and hold out for a hugely favorable deal.



Since: Sep 19, 2011
Posted on: October 27, 2011 10:27 pm
 

Progress on system; 82 games still 'possible'

My fellow posters: please do three things for me. First, learn how to spell and use the English language correctly. Second, learn the difference between a strike and a lockout. Third, get your facts straight. To the poster who is just realizing the NHL "strike" is over, the only true NHL strike ended in 1992, Rip Van Winkle. The last NHL work stoppage, a lockout, ended in 2005 after wiping out a whole season.
It would make it more easy if you just mention the person that you are going after, I know that I made an couple mistakes in my two post but I won't make an excuse why it happen.  I know the difference from a strike to a lockout, I made a reply to someone who did not know the NHL strike was over. I was thinking that the NHL dispute of 1994-95 was just a strike, I though that player went on strike but I was wrong. The NHL had 2 lockouts in the last 20 years, there was one for the 1994–95 season and the last one happen during 2004-05 season. I was wrong not to mention the NHL dispute of 2005



mzracing76
Since: Dec 24, 2006
Posted on: October 27, 2011 8:54 pm
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Since: Mar 12, 2008
Posted on: October 27, 2011 8:25 pm
 

Progress on system; 82 games still 'possible'

@Halvador
You are the problem. Pro athletes and team owners need to get the idea that fans can get along without them. You say you love BB. Then go to your local high school gym and watch a game. Follow the college of your choice. Get involved with March Madness. It's all basketball, but minus the "labor negotiations."



Since: Feb 7, 2011
Posted on: October 27, 2011 6:39 pm
 

Progress on system; 82 games still 'possible'

Let's go get a deal done!



Since: Oct 27, 2011
Posted on: October 27, 2011 5:32 pm
 

Progress on system; 82 games still 'possible'

All along I have had a hard time relating to these talks.  I just can't wrap my head around these inflated dollar figures.  I understand the talks and everything that's going on, but all I want is basketball back.  Each day we get these reports that talks have been made, but they didn't get anywhere.  To me, it appears as though both the players and the owners are being selfish and egotistical.  I am a huge b-ball fan and all I want is the season to start.  Whether we get 82 games or 50 games, it would be nice to get a deal done right away. 



Since: Oct 27, 2011
Posted on: October 27, 2011 5:32 pm
 

Progress on system; 82 games still 'possible'

All along I have had a hard time relating to these talks.  I just can't wrap my head around these inflated dollar figures.  I understand the talks and everything that's going on, but all I want is basketball back.  Each day we get these reports that talks have been made, but they didn't get anywhere.  To me, it appears as though both the players and the owners are being selfish and egotistical.  I am a huge b-ball fan and all I want is the season to start.  Whether we get 82 games or 50 games, it would be nice to get a deal done right away. 


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