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More NBA talks with on-time start at stake

Posted on: September 20, 2011 10:26 am
Edited on: September 20, 2011 12:48 pm
NEW YORK -- With time running short on efforts to preserve an on-time start to the NBA season, the league and players' association will have a staff-level meeting Wednesday with the hopes that it will set the stage for the next round of bargaining, multiple sources told

The meeting Wednesday in Manhattan will not feature the heavy hitters for either side -- no Billy Hunter or Derek Fisher for the union, and no David Stern for the league, sources said. Some key figures involved in the talks requested this format, which will consist mostly of lawyers and staff for both sides.

UPDATE: It is unclear what items will be on the agenda, but the staff meeting is expected to set the stage for a possible meeting of top negotiators on Thursday, one of the sources familiar with the plans said. The two sides have been discussing the possibility of another high-level bargaining session this week after talks featuring the full committees broke down last week. Although the Thursday meeting is not yet confirmed, it is expected to include the same rosters as three small sessions that preceded last week's talks -- Stern, deputy commissioner Adam Silver, Spurs owner Peter Holt and deputy general counsel Dan Rube for the league with Hunter, Fisher, economist Kevin Murphy and lead attorneys representing the union.

After the full session last Tuesday left the two sides stalled on system issues and the owners' desire for (and players' resistance to) a hard cap, the players met Thursday in Las Vegas to reassure membership and urge players to stick together. The owners' full Board of Governors met the same day in Dallas, where the planning committee chaired by Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck was expected to update the board on enhanced revenue sharing plans.

The fact that the two sides are willing to reconvene so soon after large-group talks stalled is neither a positive nor a negative sign until we learn what each side is bringing to the table. Sources familiar with the negotiations said the players want details about the owners' revenue sharing plans and a firm commitment from owners on how and when they plan to implement them. The two sides also remain entrenched in their respective positions on a hard salary cap, although Stern said last week that everything was negotiable and sources familiar with the league's stance say the owners have always been open to negotiating the changes to the system they are seeking.

After the large group session last week -- in which each side spent more time in separate rooms than actually bargaining face-to-face -- the dynamics are shifting back to the smaller sessions that prevailed in three meetings over the two weeks prior. With hopes of starting the season on time expected to dim significantly after this week, now would be the time for movement from both sides.


Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: September 21, 2011 10:04 am

More NBA talks with on-time start at stake

The NBA should condense into a three month season starting after the SuperBowl.  Feb-March-April  45 game schedule.  More than enough and the games would actually mean something..a sprint to the finish.

Cut salaries accordingly.

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: September 21, 2011 9:35 am

More NBA talks with on-time start at stake

The root cause of all this is greed, and flawed perspective.

Where does the money come from ? From fans and consumers-through direct to NBA products, or Cable and/or other advertising costs to consumers.

The cost to us, isn't spared even if we don't buy a $200 ticket or a Laker's jersey. If we have a cable or satellite TV contract, we pay. Cellphone, we pay. Buy a shoe with an NBA endorsement, cha-ching. Drink a Budweiser, ditto. See a NBA player or logo in a commercial, we're definately paying. Taxpayer in a community where the team had a new stadium or parking lot subsidy ? You know, you're paying. 

The first rule of business is to make a profit, and it has to be enough of a return to keep investors investing... and pay a salary to employees that keep the business successful... and most importantly, be priced low enough to continue to generate revenue. It is harder than what many believe, especially when everyone except the people buying the product WANT prices (profits and salaries) to keep going up. 

Regardless if the NBA understands it or not, buying power for the average consumer has been going DOWN for some time, and doesn't appear to be getting better any time soon. That means income potential for the NBA is going down, too. The current NBA argument really is about how the opposing sides (owners & players) are going to share their shrinking income. Both sides want the other side to take a cut, and neither wants fact, they both want MORE. Which means, they want US to pay more.  

Ultimately, most non-millionaire fans aren't sympathetic to any of these people making millions of dollars ( and more) a year complaining about their "struggle" or "risk", but the fans appear to be a secondary consideration for BOTH sides, and THAT is their biggest mistake.  

There are lots of ways to go broke. You can price yourself out of job, and business, too.      

Since: Sep 13, 2011
Posted on: September 20, 2011 11:27 pm

More NBA talks with on-time start at stake

Just one string of hope right here. If nothing happens thursday, not even a little bit of progess is made, then I may start selling off my NBA apparal, because I will not support these idiots ever again. I love basketball and I feel that these guys do not care about it as much as I do if they can't agree on anything to play the game I love. College basketball will be more popular than ever this year it looks like.

Since: Mar 26, 2007
Posted on: September 20, 2011 9:37 pm

More NBA talks with on-time start at stake

This fan won't.

Since: Oct 23, 2008
Posted on: September 20, 2011 6:12 pm

More NBA talks with on-time start at stake

I understand both sides, most people want to be on one side or the other, for the players or owners. What about the fan side? Has anyone asked about that, has anyone thought about it? Here is what will happen the players will get there money, the owners will raise there prices and the fans will pay the ending price. When does it stop? I would like to think I am an average person in america making an average wage, I cannot for the life of me justify spending $100-$200 for two tickets, food and drinks! I love to watch the NBA, I hate the fact that through out this whole lock out the majority of the fans will take one side or another (owner/Player) and forget about themselves. 

Rememeber this lock out is about them (owners/players) getting paid. At what point do you start to concern yourself with your wallet? Where is your pay? Neither the owners or the players care about your pay why do you care so much about theres? 

Do not think you are the end payee, "well I watch on cable it is free" wrong! You pay for cable, NBA TV, and internet service, "the games are on regular TV for free", Wrong! NBA will charge more to air the games, the channels will charge more for advertising and you will pay more for products. But he Joe Smith just got payed $3million for playing basketball and Ron Dung just got payed $6 million for owning Joe smilth. 

Wake up and figure it out, we pay! Noone else in this lock out does but us. Frown 

Since: Apr 15, 2008
Posted on: September 20, 2011 5:31 pm

More NBA talks with on-time start at stake

does anyone know what their disagreeing on ?? the NFl was about how to split the revenue.. what is the NBA hold up?
Don't even have patience to read most of the NBA articles anymore, there all about guys who played in the 80's or 90's for 10 games whoe happened to get like a DUI or an open liquor fine.. then there is 10000 comments that follow calling it a "thug league". Just keep waiting for the headline that a deal has been struck, and the season is starting.

From what I see, billionaire owners cry foul about large salaries and losing money and between a hard and soft cap (similar to NHL), and you have the players saying well your not losing as much as you say, and we don't want to scale back our salaries or limit ourselves when it comes to future earnings...all about the money as usual.Same as the NHL,MLB & NFL. Billionaires Vs, Millionaires.Funny thing there is the arguement one side is more imprtant than the other.Not true, they both need each other.Without players of the highest caliber there is no product on the court, without the owners there isn't the showcase.

Since: Oct 3, 2006
Posted on: September 20, 2011 4:05 pm

More NBA talks with on-time start at stake

does anyone know what their disagreeing on ?? the NFl was about how to split the revenue.. what is the NBA hold up?

Since: Sep 20, 2006
Posted on: September 20, 2011 12:58 pm

More NBA talks with on-time start at stake

I still believe the reason there is so little sense of urgency is that the real impact stakeholders aren't missing paychecks yet. Big name, large salaried players and the most secure owners are the least impacted, and least concerned, and it's no coincidence. 

I'm suprized at both sides...the owners for not already openly discussing going forward without a NBPA agreement, without players that refuse to play, and the players that still support a union that has hundreds of at-risk members but who's collective bargaining weight doesn't match up to the 2 dozen All-Stars that refuse to get involved.

The owners want a hard cap, so they know what their liabilites are, the players don't because they don't want to limit what they can make, or how much talent their team can afford to sign. Both sides think they deserve a majority of the profits, but players didn't invest anything, and don't have any risk if the team loses money. Both sides accuse the other as being greedy, and not least on THAT point, they are BOTH right. 
An interrupted (or lost) season won't help either side, but WILL clarify what the market will bear, which party is the dog, which is the tail, and whats wagging what, ALL neccessary things to define.

If the NBA doesn't get this resolved, the fans will ultimately be the first casualty, and in my opinion, THAT is a risk NO ONE in the NBA should be taking this lightly.    

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