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Knicks make final offer for Melo

Posted on: February 20, 2011 3:41 pm
Edited on: February 21, 2011 1:08 am
LOS ANGELES -- The Knicks have made what was described as their final trade proposal for Carmelo Anthony Sunday, pushing the months-long drama toward its merciful conclusion, has learned.

The Knicks would send three starters -- Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, and Raymond Felton -- to Denver for Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams and Anthony Carter, sources said Sunday. The Nuggets would get the Knicks' first-round pick in 2014, while Minnesota would get Eddy Curry's expiring contract and Anthony Randolph from New York. Curry would then be waived, and the Knicks would send as much as $3 million to Minnesota to pay his freight. 

The Wolves also would send Corey Brewer to Denver in the proposed deal. Carter must approve the trade and waive his Bird rights for the trade to be approved.

Confident that a Friday night meeting between Anthony, his representatives, and a Nets contingent led by Russian owner Mikhail Prokhorov and hip-hop mogul Jay-Z did not result in a commitment from Anthony to sign an extension with New Jersey, the Knicks are drawing the line. They are not offering rookie Landry Fields or Russian center Timofey Mozgov, two pieces Denver has asked for at various times in the negotiations, sources said.

"We shall see," Anthony said on his way out of Staples Center after the All-Star Game Sunday night, after being informed of the status of trade talks with the Knicks.

Earlier, Anthony revealed that he did not give, nor did the Nets ask for, a commitment from him on whether he would sign a contract extension that would trigger the completion of a trade that already has been agreed to between the Nuggets and New Jersey. He described the meeting with Prokhorov as "a good meeting" and "interesting," and said he was "just listening" to the Nets' presentation.

"I didn't give anybody a definitive answer," Anthony said.

Anthony said the Nuggets "have been knowing everything since day one" about where he would and wouldn't sign an extension. 

"They know everything," he said.

While Anthony privately has been entrenched for months in his position that he would only agree to an extension with the Knicks if the Nuggets traded him, a person familiar with the three-time All-Star's thinking told Sunday night that he did not close the door on the Nets in their meeting. Doing so would have eliminated the Nets as a last resort to get the three-year, $65 million extension that would be off the table in a new collective bargaining agreement.

The Anthony drama now rests in the hands of Nuggets executives Josh Kroenke and Masai Ujiri, who must decide whether to accept the Knicks' offer, continue pushing for a trade to the Nets, or keep Anthony beyond Thursday's trade deadline. Sources say it is unlikely a deal would be agreed to Sunday.

"The deadline is Thursday," Anthony said. "So obviously something has to happen, whether they trade me or I stay in Denver or whatever," Anthony said. "The end is here. All this stuff will be over with. I'm excited for this stuff to be over with, and I'm pretty sure everybody else is excited for it to be over with."

Anthony said he would "not be upset at all" if he were still with the Nuggets after the deadline.

A person familiar with the trade negotiations told Sunday that the Nuggets were still working through specifics with the Knicks and were pushing for New York to add Mozgov to the deal. Denver also hasn't shut the door on the Nets, with whom they have agreed to the framework of a trade, according to the source. But it appears that key figures in the organization have grown comfortable with the Knicks' offer, which was sweetened significantly after the Nets re-emerged in the discussions during All-Star weekend in Los Angeles.

As the Knicks' pursuit of Anthony reached a tipping point Sunday, the team released a joint statement from Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan, president Donnie Walsh, and coach Mike D'Antoni saying all three were in agreement on the Anthony discussions. In a rare and obscure step, the statement also asserted that "no one from outside our organization" was involved in the Anthony process -- an obvious reference to former team president Isiah Thomas, whose input Dolan has received since Thomas was replaced by Walsh in 2008.

With so many agendas and obfuscation attempts at play, it was difficult to predict Sunday how Denver would respond. But Nuggets executives have signaled that they want a resolution to the Anthony matter by the end of All-Star weekend -- a timetable that Anthony publicly stated that he favored, as well. 

Just as the Knicks' negotiating strategy was sidetracked by Dolan's decision to get involved in the negotiations and meet with Anthony Thursday night in Los Angeles, so have the Nuggets' efforts been influenced by agendas affecting their still complicated hierarchy. Sources say Denver's reluctance to deal with New York throughout the process was prompted more by a feeling among some segments of the team's power structure that they should not give Anthony what he wants -- the extension with the team of his choice. But sources also assert it will be difficult for Denver to turn down what could be the best offer they will receive for Anthony -- one that gives them a quality point guard, Felton, on a better contract than the Nets' Devin Harris; a young, promising frontcourt player, Chandler, who is more polished than New Jersey's Derrick Favors; a hard-nosed, floor-spacing shooter, Gallinari, instead of multiple first-round picks from New Jersey whose ultimate value is undetermined; and $20 million in immediate savings.

The Nuggets' basketball staff is said to have preferred the Nets' long-standing offer centered around Favors and multiple picks, which would set the team up for a long-term rebuilding process -- whereas the Knicks' offer provides assets better suited to a quicker turnaround after Anthony's departure. But the Nets' competing offer ran its course with Friday night's obligatory meeting between Anthony and New Jersey officials, which reported was allowed as a condition of Anthony receiving permission to meet with Dolan on Thursday.

Keeping Anthony beyond Thursday's trade deadline remains an option, though the likelihood of that has decreased dramatically, sources say. Denver is not seriously considering a nuclear option with Anthony, which would involve telling him the team will not trade him to new York and also won't give him the extension -- making New Jersey the only path to the money for Anthony. That option, sources say, would reflect poorly on the organization and could hinder its future dealings with players.


Since: Feb 21, 2011
Posted on: February 21, 2011 9:27 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

I can here the chant already from the rafters at the Garden. Smello Melo smello Melo. when he misses his first three shots. I think he should tke a three one for each player.

Since: Mar 2, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 9:16 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

@redwings--They're also 3 good reasons why the Knicks are only 28-26.  Do you really think all three of them would START for a championship club?  Even two of them? 

That's why I posed the question about which of them would start for the current Celtics team.  Gallinari and Chandler basically play the same position and neither of them would be taking Paul Pierce's job.  Certainly, neither guy would provide the interior defense that Doc Rivers demands from his PF, so they aren't going to get many minutes there either.  That leaves the SG position where Gallinari might hit some 3's but would be very exposed defensively against smaller, quicker guards.  Felton would be a backup to Rondo, no question.  So, in fact, they'd all be back ups on a championship club, which is what the Celtics currently are for the Eastern Conference.

Can they develop?  Sure, but they might also level out if their current numbers are inflated by D'Antoni's system.  And, Felton already has a track record as an average PG, so he's probably not headed for superstar status.  (It isn't for no reason that Knicks fans dream of replacing him with CP3.)  So it really comes down to whether you think either Chandler or Gallinari are potential All-Stars and starters on a championship club.  Most of the commentary here seems to think only Gallinari has that chance.  If that's true, then the Knicks are trading the possibility of a 22-year old turning into an All-Star for a 26-year old who IS one.  The other two guys are bench players on a championship team, regardless of what they're doing right now.

As for whether the Knicks can get CP3 or other guys in the future, who knows?  But, if the purpose of all teams is to build a championship team--which is what all front offices should be aiming for--then it's perfectly legitimate to try to project where current players will be in a few years and whether they'll be good enough to take the team to the title.  And, when I did that a few posts ago, I think I made a reasonable point that none of the three players the Knicks would have to give up are surefire starters on a championship team.  Melo, however, WOULD be a surefire starter at SF on one. 

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 6:11 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Your being asked to trade three players who would be bench contributors for a championship team for one guy who will be a stud starter for a championship team.  Depth is great, but you can create depth with judicious, inexpensive signings when you're really ready to compete.  You don't get superstars for three bench contributors very often.

That's the biggest joke of a post i've seen in a long time man.  What are you talking about?  Three bench players?  These kids aren't bench players at all..... they are 3 good reasons why Amare has excelled in New York.  Amare is a great player but he wouldn't have the numbers he has without players like that taking some of the attention away from him. 

Finally, once again, what are you talking about??  You're assuming they sign CP3 which sends Felton to the bench and a defensie center which sends Gallinari to the bench?  Why are the Knicks going to get all of these players?  How can they?  A new CBA is on the way that might make it impossible to sign that many stars on one NBA team.   There might be a new franchise tag rule.  There might be a lower team salary cap.  They might allow teams to offer much more then they can now to keep their own players.... a lot is going to happen,, we don't know what yet... but things are going to change.

You guys make me laugh.  The New York Knicks haven't been relevant since Patrick Ewing left, a long long time ago. They were a doormat in the NBA for quite a while.. they signed ONE guy, Amare and are talking about signing one more, Melo and suddenly EVERYBODY in the NBA is going to become a Knick??

Give your head a shake...

Since: Feb 13, 2011
Posted on: February 21, 2011 4:59 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

basketball is shit

Since: Mar 2, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 3:17 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Another way to look at it Knicks fans---do any of the guys you're proposing to trade START for the team you're chasing, Boston?   I doubt it.

If you sign Melo this summer, then Chandler goes to the bench.  If you sign CP3 in 2012, then Felton goes to the bench.  And if you sign a defensive center to strengthen the team's primary weakness, Amare moves to PF and Gallinari goes to the bench.  Sure, they'd give you superior bench strength, but they'd all be demoted starters who might just want to leave for teams that will give them a chance to start.  At any rate, as demoted starters they're going to think their salaries should be more than the Knick will or can pay. 

Your being asked to trade three players who would be bench contributors for a championship team for one guy who will be a stud starter for a championship team.  Depth is great, but you can create depth with judicious, inexpensive signings when you're really ready to compete.  You don't get superstars for three bench contributors very often.

Since: Feb 27, 2007
Posted on: February 21, 2011 2:14 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

The final offer for what, today? Please get this over with! The NBA is terrible and every 10 minute reports on a possible trade is tiresome. Is Melo even a top 10-20 player anymore? College hoops is pro hoops to me, NBA just YMCA open gym. Seriously, ILLEGAL DEFENSE?

Since: Nov 16, 2010
Posted on: February 21, 2011 2:06 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

If knicks make this deal they are fools once again. They still won't win a championship this year trade or no trade. Just wait he wants to play for Knicks. Get him after the deason as a free agent and keep all the good players to. They be fools to not wait and give up that much when they don't have to. Then is say somehow Melo signs in meantime with Denver which I doubt there are other big names coming. If they stip this team with a trade will take longer to be a contender then geeting him as free agent. What's the hurry?

Since: May 18, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:48 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

Ohh and isn't it against the NBA Law to even discuss contract extension...while your on another team! Ya it is. Shouldn't something be done? Highly unlikely.

Since: May 18, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:45 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

WHO CARES!!!! Let him sit there in Denver until he gets ousted AGAIN in the playoffs. If I am NY, wait until the offseason and go from there. If he's there, he's there. If not, so what. How many years does he have in those legs already? Even if he were to go to NY, he wouldn't win anything anyways. Not unless Boston and Miami's respective line'ups don't show up to play the game. So go ahead and trade your roster NY, your depth will be depleted worse than Miami. One problem after that...your player's aren't nearly as talented as Miami's.

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2011 1:10 pm

Knicks make final offer for Melo

The Knicks do not need to trade their whole team away if they are getting Anthony next year anyway, basically what they are offering is all they want to do to get the player they will have next year a little earlier.......

Not true.  If the Knicks don't overpay now, there is no guarantee at all they'll get him next year.  You have no idea what you're talking about.  The new CBA, assuming they have an agreement by next year could prevent Carmelo Anthony from joining the Knicks.... there are so many things that can go wrong between now and then....

1) Teams could be allowed to franchise tag players like they do in the NFL.  The Nuggets tag anthony and he goes nowhere.
2) The cap goes down 30 percent and Anthony loses out on 20 million dollars in salary over the 3 years by going to the Knicks.  Nobody knows if he's willing to take that loss.  To you guys it's monopoly money.. to the players it's real money.
3) The cap simply drops and/or becomes a hard cap like the NHL and the Knicks suddenly can't afford to sign him and still afford to surround him and Amare with enough good players to compete for a championship..

A lot of things can go wrong.... do I think the proposed Knicks trade is crazy??  Yes, I do.  I think it's nuts to give up 22,23 and 26 year old excellent, young and affordable players for Carmelo Anthony..... but the Knicks don't agree.  IF they REALLY WANT him that bad, they have to pay up now or risk possibly never getting him...

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