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Marion to Dallas? (UPDATE)

Posted on: July 6, 2009 9:18 pm
Edited on: July 6, 2009 10:00 pm
 

The Dallas Mavericks, who have agreed to bring Jason Kidd back with a three-year, $25 million deal, are trying to work out a sign-and-trade with Toronto for Shawn Marion, CBSSports.com has learned.

The deal could provide an alternative for the Raptors to renouncing Marion's rights in a bid to clear cap space for its addition of Hedo Turkoglu. But sign-and-trades are particularly complicated, especially in this case, because Toronto is reluctant to take back salary, a person familiar with the situation said.

When the Raptors got a verbal agreement from Turkoglu, who reneged on a commitment to the Trail Blazers, it was contingent on Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo making several roster moves to make room for the five-year, $53 million contract Turkoglu is eligible to sign on Wednesday. The simplest scenario is to renounce the rights to Marion, Carlos Delfino, and Anthony Parker. But a sign-and-trade -- particularly for Marion, who still has some value -- also would be a palatable option as long as it doesn't complicate the Turkoglu signing. At this point, the source cautioned, the talks are stuck on the issue of how much salary Toronto would have to take back and the deal "may or may not happen."

UPDATE: Marion was among the highest-paid players in the league last season at $17.8 million. But like many free agents this summer, he's been forced to adjust his expectations for the level of interest in his services and the amount teams are willing to pay. The Knicks, for all their largesse and resources, wooed Kidd with -- sigh -- a two- or three-year offer at the mid-level exception of $5.6 million per. Kidd turned it down and stayed in Dallas. There has been a lot of talk about prized restricted free agents David Lee and Paul Millsap, but to this point, no offers to back it up.

Marion, 31, has gone from being a valued trade chip who was sent from Phoenix to Miami for Shaquille O'Neal, to a player whose expiring contract was more valuable than he was in heading to Toronto for Jermaine O'Neal. Now, he is not only running out of O'Neals, he is running out of options. Marion can only hope that interest from several contenders -- Cleveland also is believed to have interest -- could provide him a winning situation, if not a huge pay day. Given the environment, it is incomprehensible that Marion would get more than half of his 2008-09 salary in a sign-and-trade or on the open market.

UPDATE: If Toronto and Dallas work out a deal, Jerry Stackhouse almost certainly would be headed to Toronto because only $2 million of his $7 million salary for next season is guaranteed. Also, you should be following me on Twitter, because you could've found out about this story before I posted it. This news is like so-a-half-hour-ago.

UPDATE: A second person familiar with the situation said the Marion-to-Dallas scenario was being pushed by Mavs owner Mark Cuban and Marion's agent, Dan Fegan. Dallas, the person said, was trying to involve either Oklahoma City or Memphis as a third team to facilitate Toronto's need to clear cap space for Turkoglu.

UPDATE: While there is interest in Marion among several contenders seeking an agile transition player and 3-point shooter, his potential landing spots are limited to teams willing and able to pay him more than the mid-level exception of about $5.6 million -- unless that's all Fegan is able to get for him. That would appear to take a team like Cleveland out of the mix for Matrix.

 

Comments

Since: Mar 13, 2007
Posted on: July 8, 2009 1:18 am
 

Marion to Dallas? (UPDATE)

Marion might be a good fit for Dallas, but the man is headache. Maybe he now realizes he can't carry a team, but he'll still be a choker (make that a perfect fit for Dallas). I wish he had a better attitude so he would still be in PHX, but I digress.  



Since: Dec 11, 2008
Posted on: July 8, 2009 12:55 am
 

Marion to Dallas? (UPDATE)

Reading these posts, it's clear that many Mavs fans are down on J-Kidd. While I'm not overly thrilled with the money it took to keep him, I think Cuban felt it was an easy decision. The way I see it, the Mavs are a MUCH better team with Kidd running the point than with Kidd NOT running the point. Had he not re-signed, I think Dallas would of almost certainly been a lotto team year. We can't go back to those days, the days of flat-out sucking. Please, no. I would like to be able to watch them play and know they have a CHANCE to win than to watch Dirk try and carry carry the whole show and get pissed and burned out. Just my 2 cents :)




Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: July 7, 2009 8:25 pm
 

Marion to Dallas? (UPDATE)

tHE IDEA OF kIDD AND iVERSON PLAYING TOGETHER, AND THE POSSIBILITY OF THEIR WINNING a championship together, is the most ludicrous statement I have heard in many a day. Kidd shoots less than 40 percent and Iverson wants to shoot always, but his best days are gone. Even Dirk is on the downside, Howard an admitted dope head. Cuban traded their best player to the Nets for Kidd, whose best days are definitely gone. They have no center and winning it all? Haha even making the playoffs in the wild wild west is doubtful. Time to rebuild here { even without 2 1st round picks given to the Nets along with Harris] one of the worst trades ever made. The Mavericks, the Cowboys of the NBA. And both in Dallas, how wonderful. I am curious if CAuban and Jones could possibly be wins seperated at birth? Both have lots of money and make very stupid decisions? Perhaps.



Since: Jul 5, 2009
Posted on: July 7, 2009 3:49 pm
 

Marion to Dallas? (UPDATE)

 

What Dallas paid for Jason Kidd is ridiculous.  What New York offered is much more in line and if I were a G.M. I would be hard pressed to offer him that.  Dallas basically signed their death warrant by keeping him as their point guard for the next 3 years.  He can't keep up any longer, he can't get his shot off (mainly because it is hard to get a set-shot off in the NBA these days) and he no longer defends.  I have no idea what these guys are thinking.


lol, you are right that he has trouble getting off his shot, but that is fine in the offense Dallas has. He is still great on break making his great passes, and actually can defend well, he doesn't guard the cp3s tony parkers anymore because he isn't quick enough, but he guards 2 guards and actually does a good job. The guy that can't defend for Dallas is Jason Terry and JJB. Is Kidd worth 8 mill a year right now? No, but it doesn't matter what he is worth because Mark will go well into luxury tax so money is not a issue, Kidd is still clearly an above average starting pg and imo a top 10 pg.



Since: Jun 5, 2009
Posted on: July 7, 2009 2:29 pm
 

Marion to Dallas? (UPDATE)

Also, , because you could've found out about this story before I posted it. This news is like so-a-half-hour-ago.

How bout you quit tweeting like a teenage girl and write for who pays you. I don't read twitter because any idiot can tweet garbage, I would rather see it on a credible site. Thanks.



Since: Nov 10, 2008
Posted on: July 7, 2009 1:56 pm
 

Marion to Dallas? (UPDATE)

What Dallas paid for Jason Kidd is ridiculous.  What New York offered is much more in line and if I were a G.M. I would be hard pressed to offer him that.  Dallas basically signed their death warrant by keeping him as their point guard for the next 3 years.  He can't keep up any longer, he can't get his shot off (mainly because it is hard to get a set-shot off in the NBA these days) and he no longer defends.  I have no idea what these guys are thinking.



Since: Sep 12, 2006
Posted on: July 7, 2009 12:26 pm
 

Marion to Dallas? (UPDATE)

The experience Stackhouse has and his ability to help teach DeRozan would prove invaluable to the development of the first round pick. Based on that alone Stackhouse is a much better option at this point than Parker. And if Parker is looking for a raise or a salary close to where it was before ($4m) then he's definitely not worth it, given that he is a bench player at best. Yes Stackhouse is making $7m this year, but he's also a short term option while Parker's likely looking for a 3-4 year commitment right now. I think this could be a decent move by Colangelo, though I'm still not quite sold on the money and length they're forking out for Turkoglu...




Since: Jul 3, 2009
Posted on: July 7, 2009 9:35 am
 

Marion to Dallas? (UPDATE)

Yeah, please trade JH to my Bulls......he's the second best player on your team, a glue guy that can defend 3 positions.  Go ahead trade him for a "real" 2......




Since: Jul 5, 2009
Posted on: July 7, 2009 3:09 am
 

Marion to Dallas? (UPDATE)

Anthony Parker is solid off the bench and a much better player than Stackhouse right now



Since: Jul 5, 2009
Posted on: July 7, 2009 3:07 am
 

Marion to Dallas? (UPDATE)

I am sorry to tell you Anderson but Stackhouse shouldn't be playing any meaningfull minutes anymore guy just simply is not good anymore, Toronto would do this for only 1 reason cut cap, Humphries would also go else where to place like Charlotte or OKC


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