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Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Posted on: July 3, 2009 10:54 pm
Edited on: July 4, 2009 12:37 am
Hedo, we have a problem.

Hours after agreeing in principle to a five-year contract with the Trail Blazers, free agent Hedo Turkoglu abruptly ceased negotiations and appears headed to the Toronto Raptors, a person directly involved in the negotiations told

"Hedo is headed to Toronto," said the person, who requested anonymity due to the sensitivity of the talks. "To sign."

But after a whirlwind day in which Turkoglu and his representative, Lon Babby, gave a verbal commitment to sign with the Blazers -- or were done in by what one rival executive termed "too many leaks and not enough info" -- determining Turkoglu's final landing spot is best left to those getting the signatures.

The situation was rapidly unfolding, and it was unclear Friday night whether Turkoglu had second thoughts or Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo swooped in and played his trump card -- the fact that Turkoglu and his wife were said to prefer landing in Toronto. As word spread that Turkoglu had agreed with the Blazers after meeting with coach Nate McMillan in Orlando on Wednesday night and touring the Blazers' facilities on Thursday, the Raptors were pursuing three separate avenues that would have precluded making an offer for Turkoglu. They were engaged in talks with Cleveland about a sign-and-trade for guard Anthony Parker, and were making progress on re-signing two of their other free agents -- Shawn Marion and Carlos Delfino. A person familiar with all three negotiations said Delfino's deal was closer to completion due to ongoing debate in the Toronto front office about Marion's value.

The person involved in Turkoglu's negotiations with Portland used the word "reneged" in describing the nature of the impasse. Babby, who earlier in the evening had cautioned that there was "nothing yet" in terms of finalized details of a contract, did not return phone messages or emails after the talks broke down.

UPDATE: The details of how Turkoglu would wind up with the Raptors were sketchy. But given the fact that Toronto had already engaged in discussions about re-signing Marion and Delfino -- with varying degrees of progress -- left open the possibility of a more complicated sign-and-trade avenue. That would entail multiple parties signing on, including the Magic, who have quietly stayed in the background of Turkoglu's quest for a new home after acquiring Vince Carter from the Nets last week to protect themselves against losing him. Such a scenario could drag on for days because of the moving parts involved, and the person familiar with Turkoglu's decision to spurn the Blazers for the Raptors did not know the details of how it would be worked out. The simplest option on the table was for Toronto to renounce the rights to Marion, Delfino, and Parker and use the $9-$10 million in cap space for Turkoglu.

UPDATE: It is believed that Turkoglu's preference for Toronto was not the only factor. Another person familair with the situation said Turkoglu wasn't the right fit for the Blazers and that the two sides had "different priorities." As always, money played a role, according to another source. By renouncing Marion, Delfino, and Parker, the Raptors could exceed Portland's offer by about $800,000 annually. It wasn't clear Friday night whether Portland drove a harder bargain after seeing Toronto's options dwindle; whether Colangelo swooped in with an 11th-hour bid; or whether Turkoglu's camp simply had second thoughts or believed it could get a better deal from the Raptors.

If anything was clear in this bizarre negotiation, it was that Turkoglu's discussions with the Blazers were irreparably broken.

"It's called an agreement in principle," one source said in describing the agreement between Turkoglu and the Blazers, without elaborating. It is believed that the last player to reneg on such an agreement was Carlos Boozer with Cleveland in 2004.

No agreement between teams and players during the weeklong free-agent negotiating period is binding until deals can be signed on July 8, after the NBA and players association agree on the salary cap and luxury tax for the 2009-10 season.


Since: Jul 5, 2009
Posted on: July 5, 2009 9:18 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

1st go f yourself

2nd how many Championships do you have?

3rd none of your american players want to be there remember when you had to trade carter because he was tired of losing and the only good player you got in return (Alanzo Mourning) refused to play there?

4th you could have had rudy gay or b roy (a western conf allstar) but you chose the poor mans Nowitzki instead?
you can only get and keep foreign players go luck to hedo (the face of toronto) because bosh will probably be playing in south beach with wade after next season.

Oh and I actaully really like toronto (Great City) im going to a college 1hr and 30min away from it (eventhough its in NY) But dont insult my country or my countrymen. oh and stick to talking about hockey because thats all you know...

Since: Jul 5, 2009
Posted on: July 5, 2009 9:07 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

would you like to relocate to seattle? also if LBJ@# leaves cleveland there done and they have never signed a big name player mo williams was traded there and so was shaq. yeah we haven't gotten the big name free agents but that could change but with the exception of oden we have been good at getting young talent and with enough of that talent we could trade for a star so keep your head up

Since: Jul 5, 2009
Posted on: July 5, 2009 8:59 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Nooo. like the post above yours states we have alot of dept on sf batum, webster, outlaw, both roy and rudy in smaller linups. i dont think we should sign miller but rather blake trade for alston we have bayless as the backup pg and just give him more minutes. also i think getting a banger would be a good addition but i dont want us to pay someone too much money because i think we should pursue bosh hard in next years free agency and if we got him we could trade aldrige and oden for thabeet (the taller less injury prone verion of oden) and get another banger in return as well or atleast darrel arthur. or keep what we got and still trade blake for alston. but just imagine

C- Hasheem Thabeet
PF- Chris Bosh
SF- Webster/Outlaw/Batum/fernandez
SG- Roy/Fernandez/Bayless
PG Alston (or Blake)/Bayless
I can taste another championship with no detroit pistons or mj to stop us

Since: Jan 8, 2007
Posted on: July 4, 2009 11:39 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

...and yet you decided to post as well....with one of the longest entries yet....and you have been thinking about it for two -wyofan're an idiot.

You clearly missed the point.

Think first.  Type later.  Try it crack-head.

Since: Jan 8, 2007
Posted on: July 4, 2009 11:35 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)


a.  America's Cap.

Watch your mouth or we'll send the Girl Scouts up there to take over your country, you mouthy flat-head.

It was impressive, though, to see your excellent usage of the English language instead of that 'dirty French' you clowns call talking.


Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: July 4, 2009 7:03 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Soopafly, I hope you continue to come and enjoy yourself in Toronto The Good (real nickname!).  But, you need to update your information.  The only thing you are correct about is that T.O. is a hockey city.  But, not exclusively.  You need to stop feeding the stereotype of "ignorant American".

Toronto does love it's basketball.  Our sports fans love and follow the NBA, as evidenced by continuing to fill the Air Canada Centre (always in the top ten in attendance).  They know who Sam Mitchell is.  They love their pro sports, coming our for the Leafs, Raptors, Jays, TFC, Rock, Nationals and Argos.

It's so short-sighted to think that because a city is urban, it is derived from the "Urban American lifestyle".  Now that is stupid.  Sure, all North American cities have similarities.  But, if you walk around Toronto and feel like you are in Baltimore, then you are just weird.

Btw, Toronto does not have the same structure as NYC.  New York has boroughs, Toronto does not.  It's crime rates do not ignore North York.  Everything within Toronto's borders are counted.  Get your facts straight.

Turkoglu, I hope you enjoy walking our fair city.  It's frickin' great!!  Everybody else should come, too.  Watching a Raptor game is mad fun.

Since: Jul 2, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2009 5:20 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

I think this signing would be very nice for the Raps. Not only give us another versatile scorer to go with Bargnani and Bosh, Colangelo showing that he actually wants to piece together a competitive team might intrigue Bosh to stay on. I doubt it, of coure. But still, Hedo can be someone the offense can run through, a very deft passer with great court vision and can knock down his own shot. Only issue I see is he likes to create off the dribble too much and with Bosh underneath, his lane will definitely be clogged. Of course Bosh can knock down the FT-line extended jumper so maybe they could space the floor, let him drive and kick to some good 3PT shooters (Bargnani, Calderon). Could see an offense like the Magic's. Two truly gifted passers in Calderon and Hedo make for an interesting dynamic. Of course, our defense suffers. And Bosh is no Dwight Howard underneath. So this may be an exercise in futility. We'll be a good scoring team but like the Suns under D'Antoni. All O, no D. Still, like the pickup if it happens.

Since: May 24, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2009 4:53 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

rudy fernandez was complaining that he did not want hedo to come to the blazers and that he would leave if turk came, that is not the best way to welcome someone into your team so you can have no complaints this probably influenced his decision

Since: Dec 11, 2006
Posted on: July 4, 2009 4:43 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

Wow, what a dissing of Oden, perhaps a bit early on this, considering he is all of about 22 and still stud?
Catch the future and you may be surprised it includes Oden, also,  Durant would not fit in with Portland anyway,they only have one ball, right??

Since: May 24, 2009
Posted on: July 4, 2009 4:39 pm

Hedo or Hedon't? (UPDATE)

i have to disagree, can you tell me who was the leading scorer for the magic in the finals, lewis is getting 120 million plus so why shouldnt turk want 10-12 million dollars a year, portland only have brandon roy who is a superstar and L aldridge. in my opinion greg oden is no different from darko milicic, BOTH USELESS, how they were no one picks i dont know, toronto is the same quality in my opinion as portland. i can also say that canada has a big turkish community and this may have also influenced turks decision.

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